Two interesting paintings signed "Vincent" and "TL", found in 1942 Nederlandse versie van dit document

Two interesting paintings signed "Vincent" and "TL", found in 1942

Like many businessmen and industrialists in the past century Gerard R. (1895 – 1961) collected as hobby paintings, etchings and drawings.
He had a good view of the matter but could not afford to buy expensive works. For that reason the greater part of the collection consists of unsigned work of good quality, in which sometimes the styles of great masters can be recognized. Works from the french impressionists are not included, those were in those days already too expensive for him.

An exeption are two paintings signed with "Vincent".
He bought the two "Vincents" in a gallery in the Netherlands in 1942. When he bought them him, was told that the painter was an at that time unknown Vincent van Gogh, whose works had hardly any value. The paintings are two townscapes ( in Paris? ) on the same site: a market painted in two directions. The style and the clear springcolors look like the style of the french impressionists.
The two signatures have much resemblance with Vincent van Gogh's signatures in the period between 1884 and 1889.

It is known that Van Vincent van Gogh after his arrival in Paris in March 1886 was introduced in the circle of the impressionists and has experimented with several paintingstyles before he developped the style that we know so well from his later work. In his period in Paris (March 1886 – February 1888) the colors of his pallet are clearly influenced bij the impressionists. He made there more than 200 paintings, among them sights in Paris, specially in Montmartre. Much work by him was unmarketable and got lost or is missing.
www.vangoghgallery.com/misc/later.html:
"By early 1886, he had moved to Paris to live with his brother Theo. Here Vincent was immersed in a centrifuge of modern art from the impressionist and post impressionists. Van Gogh quickly dropped the dark colors he had used to create The Potato Eaters after discovering the palette to be horrendously out of date. He adopted the brighter more vibrant colors with ease and began experimenting with the techniques he saw in the art of the impressionist and post impressionists."

The collection paintings, etchings and drawings of Gerard R. is kept intact and was never published. Also his deceased son kept the collection intact and never published it, and willed the whole collection to a good friend.
The statements above can be verified partly with documents and notary statements.

June 2006 the photographs of both paintings have been evaluated by experts in the Van Gogh Museum in Amsterdam, in the Louvre-Musee d'Orsay in Paris and in the Kroller-Muller museum in Otterlo Nld.
They did not recognize the style of Vincent van Gogh in the paintings.

The following opinion was provided by Janet G. Smith in December 2017. ( Click on the last 4 links to read the correspondece in 2006 and 2017)
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She found in the upper left corner of Picture #2 another, on the first layer a for the greater part over painted signature:
"TL Vincent": a monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent.
Her opinion is the paintings may in fact be two collaborative paintings of Vincent and Toulouse-Lautrec in Paris, date 1886.

See the monogram of Toulouse-Lautrec and the signature Vincent in the upper left corner of Picture #2
- in the contrast enhanced photodetail in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photodetail
- in the contrast enhanced photodetail negative in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photodetail- negative
- in the contrast enhanced photodetail with filled in "TL Vincent" signatures in a new window:
           Picture #2, Contrast enhanced photodetail- with filled in signatures

See also the signature "V nc  t" in the upper left corner of Picture #1 and for the greater part over painted.
- in the contrast enhanced photodetail in a new window:
           Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photodetail
- in the contrast enhanced photodetail with filled in "V nc  t" signatures in a new window:
           Picture #1, Contrast enhanced photodetail with partly filled in signature

Also X-ray photo's are made.
You can see the X-ray photo's on: X-ray images of both paintings
The X-ray photo's when combined to the full, complete format of the paintings:
Complete X-ray picture of Painting-1 and Complete X-ray picture of Painting-2
The full, complete format of the X-ray images of the two paintings are about 20 mB and have about 15000 x 13500 pixels

Also some first-view Infrared photo's are made, but in very simple quality. see: first-view Infrared photo's

The photo's dated 2006 are made again in 2018, but now with the frames removed and with a better camera. see: New photo's made 2018_01_06
The photos without the frame from 2018: Picture-2 gave a surprise:
The combination "TL Vincent" is also on the first layer in the upper left corner of picture#2 under the frame ! So two times "TL Vincent" on the first layer under the blue sky.

The three subfolders of this homepage are:
- the 4 subfolders with : all photo's in 2006 and in 2018, the X-ray photo's and the Infra red photo's,
- the Correspondence,
- the pictures on this homepage.


The question remains: Who painted these two paintings ?                                                        Info : HansLeibbrandt@onsbrabantnet.nl


Picture#1, Oil on canvas. 53 x 64 cm          (Click in the photos to see them full size, in a new window)



Picture#2, Oil on canvas. 53 x 64 cm and its signature.



The signatures on the Pictures #1 and #2, and two signatures of Vincent van Gogh. (Paris, February-March, 1887) and (Arles, March, 1888 )



Vincent van Gogh: Lane at the Jardin du Luxembourg. Oil on canvas. 27.5 x 46.0 cm. Paris: June-July, 1886