Hi Leibrandt's in Australia, The motto ' Ingenuitas' is Latin for ingenuity This is explained by Douglas Leibbrandt on: http://www.leibbrandt.com/douglaswappen.htm There is not any relation between the Dutch Royal house and the Leibbrandt's, but much older Leibbrandt royalty can be found: The King of Lombardy, Luitprand (713-744 A D) probably went into battle with 'a burning sword'. Read the next section on Page ii in the papers of Douglas Leibbrandt which I have scanned partly : http://www.leibbrandt.com/safrica.doc 300 KB The coming task to be done is to find out when and where in history one of your ancestors lost one of the two bb's in his name ! Another item for you: The Leibbrand briefpaper with coat of arms: http://www.leibbrandt.com/LEIBBRANDT_Archive/Leibbrandt_briefhoofd-3.doc 120 KB. Simply type your name and address over mine, and you can use it; very impressive. I have seen in the logging of my websever that you downloaded all the files in the "wappen_coat_of_arms" folder of the LEIBBRANDT_archive. This folder contains all the material made during the "digital reconstruction" of both L-coat of arms. It is impossible to download all the material on the site http://www.leibbrandt.com it is about 50 MB. (The larger part is hidden) So if you are interested and mail me you post address , I will send you a CD with all files of the site. Leibbrand(t)'s from over the whole world help me to collect the material for the L-family tree. All their input is stored in the http://www.leibbrandt.com/LEIBBRANDT_Archive/ I would not advice your brother to get the coat of arms tatooed on his shoulder. Altough he would be the first one, it is very difficult to remove a tatooe ! Best regards from Hans Leibbrandt in Best, in the Netherlands. _____________________________________________________ At 12:50 23-05-04, adam L wrote: Wow thank-you for responding to me, it has proved to create a great deal of excitment amongst our family. So much so that my brother wants to get the coat of arms tatooed on his shoulder ahehaeh My name is Adam Leibrandt and I am 22 years old and a second generation Australian. Our Grandfather Julius Leibrandt came out from Germany after WW2 and we are only starting to find out who we are related to overseas. There seems to be quite a large family in the Nederlands. Does the reference to the royal family mean that we, in any way, are directly related? That would be something! I also see there are prominant families in South Africa, the USA, Canada and Germany. Do you keep in touch with any of these? My brother was recently in Germany and met our cousins over there. I will send them the web site and see where we link up. Kind Regards, Adam Leibrandt >From: Hans Leibbrandt >To: add_em10@hotmail.com >Subject: Leibrandt's from Poland >Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 23:04:50 +0200 > >Leibrandt's from Poland > >Maybe some additional info about Leibrandt's from Poland at: > >http://www.leibbrandt.com/LEIBBRANDT_archive/leibrandt/Wolfgang%20Leibran dt.doc > >They run the website with photo's: http://www.leibrandt.com > >See also the big Leibbrandt genealogy and family tree at >http://www.leibbrandt.com > >Best regards, Hans Leibbrandt Kievietlaan 4 5683RC Best, The Netherlands Phone, Fax: +31 (0)499-398260 Mailto:Leibbran@DutchWeb.nl http://www.leibbrandt.com